Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/19/2004 09:06 AM Senate FIN

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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                         February 19, 2004                                                                                    
                              9:06 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken convened the meeting at approximately 9:06 AM.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green,  Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also  Attending: SENATOR  GARY  STEVENS; DIANE  BARRANS,  Executive                                                           
Officer, Alaska Student  Loan Corporation and Director,  The Alaska                                                             
Commission on Postsecondary Education;  MELANIE MILLHORN, Director,                                                             
Division  of Retirement&  Benefits, Department  of  Administration;                                                             
ANSELM  STAACK, Chief  Financial Officer,  Division of  Retirement&                                                             
Benefits, Department of Administration                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Attending  via Teleconference:  From an Offnet  Sites: KEN  VASSAR,                                                       
Bond  Counsel,  Alaska  Student  Loan  Corporation;  BOB  REYNOLDS,                                                             
Actuary, Mercer Human Resource Consulting-Actuary                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 277-STUDENT LOAN PROGRAMS                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The bill heard testimony from the  Alaska Student Loan Corporation.                                                             
The bill reported from Committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PUBLIC  EMPLOYEES  RETIREMENT  SYSTEM/TEACHERS'  RETIREMENT  SYSTEM                                                             
PRESENTATION                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard a presentation  from the Division of Retirement                                                             
and Benefits in regards  to the Public Employees Retirement  System                                                             
and the Teachers' Retirement System. No action was taken.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 203-OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The bill was scheduled but not heard.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 285-MEDICAL ASSISTANCE COVERAGE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The bill was scheduled but not heard.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 277(HES)                                                                                            
     "An  Act relating to  the Alaska  Commission on  Postsecondary                                                             
     Education;  relating to the  Alaska Student Loan  Corporation;                                                             
     relating  to bonds of  the corporation;  relating to  loan and                                                             
     grant  programs of the  commission; relating  to an  exemption                                                             
     from the State Procurement Code regarding certain contracts of                                                             
     the commission or corporation;  making conforming changes; and                                                             
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the second hearing  for this bill  in the Senate  Finance                                                             
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken communicated that additional work is required on an                                                             
amendment that was discussed during  the February 17, 2004 hearing;                                                             
and therefore,  it would not be  offered. It would be  addressed in                                                             
other committees' hearings as the bill progresses.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  shared the understanding that bonds  associated                                                             
with this legislation were recently issued.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DIANE BARRANS, Executive  Officer, Alaska Student Loan  Corporation                                                             
and  Executive Director,  The  Alaska Commission  on  Postsecondary                                                             
Education,   Department  of   Education   and  Early   Development,                                                             
explained,  "that Phase  One of  the three-year  return of  capital                                                             
plan"  included the  issuance of  bonds, supported  by  Corporation                                                             
"assets  that  were  already  free  and  clear  from  our  existing                                                             
indenture." Therefore, yesterday's  bond issuance, which received a                                                             
good financial rate, was not dependent on this legislation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KEN  VASSAR,  Bond   Counsel,  Alaska  Student  Loan   Corporation,                                                             
testified via teleconference from an offnet site and concurred that                                                             
existing regulations allowed the issuance of the bonds in question.                                                             
This legislation  would allow the  Corporation to issue  additional                                                             
bonds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens asked whether  the $75 million bond package that                                                             
was just issued would accrue against the $280 million designated in                                                             
this bill.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Barrans affirmed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  moved  to report  the  bill  from  Committee  with                                                             
individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no objection,  CS  SB  277 (HES)  was  REPORTED  from                                                             
Committee with previous zero fiscal  note #1 from the Department of                                                             
Administration; previous zero fiscal note #2 from the Department of                                                             
Community and Economic Development; and a new $120,000 fiscal note,                                                             
dated February 12, 2004 from the  Department of Education and Early                                                             
Development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE: This bill  was returned to the Senate Finance  Committee for                                                             
further consideration. An additional hearing was conducted on March                                                             
22, 2004.]                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                Public Employees' Retirement System                                                                             
                    Teachers' Retirement System                                                                                 
                           Presentation                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken noted that this  presentation would further educate                                                             
the  Committee  on  "the  serious  issue"  of  funding  the  Public                                                             
Employees' Retirement  System (PERS)  and the Teachers'  Retirement                                                             
System (TRS).                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE  MILLHORN, Director,  Division  of Retirement  &  Benefits,                                                             
Department of Administration, noted  that Anselm Staack a thirteen-                                                             
year employee  of the  Division accompanied  her. In addition,  Bob                                                             
Reynolds, who  has been the Actuarial  Consultant to the  State for                                                             
four  years,  would   be  participating  via  teleconference.   His                                                             
employer,   Mercer  Human  Resource   Consulting-Actuary,   is  the                                                             
actuarial firm that has been assisting  the State for twelve years.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn defined an actuary  as a person who "makes assumptions                                                             
based  on  data  in order  to  calculate  benefit  costs  by  using                                                             
assumptions  to project costs  into the future  as compared  to the                                                             
assets and  the earnings that it  will pay for those  liabilities."                                                             
Due  to  the fact  that  "the  costs  and the  earnings  have  some                                                             
uncertainty  associated  with   them,"  this  process  is  annually                                                             
reviewed "by the PERS/TRS Board  for adjustments and modification."                                                             
Each year the Legislature receives an Actuarial Valuation report on                                                             
PERS/TRS  as well as  the Judicial Retirements  System and  others.                                                             
This report  measures a  plan's liabilities;  assets; compares  the                                                             
assets to the liabilities; and  thereby determines a funding ratio.                                                             
It also determines  the employers' annual contribution  rate, which                                                             
is referred to as  the calculated rate. Approximately  twenty-three                                                             
actuarial assumptions  support the  PERS/TRS valuation report  with                                                             
the two  most important  assumptions being  investment results  and                                                             
health care expenses.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  stated  that today's  presentation is  recapped  in a                                                             
handout titled "State of Alaska Public Employees' Retirement System                                                             
Teachers'  Retirement  System  Presentation  to  the  Alaska  State                                                             
Legislature   2004"  [copy   on  file].   The  two   aforementioned                                                             
assumptions  would  be  the primary  focus  of  this  presentation;                                                             
specifically in regards  to how they affect the retirement  systems                                                             
funding  ratios today.  The actuarial  assumptions  are located  in                                                             
Section 2.3 of the most recent Valuation Report [copy not provided]                                                             
which  is  dated  June  30,2002.  That  report  is  the  basis  for                                                             
determining the FY 05 employer contribution rate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn noted that the handout  also includes a section titled                                                             
"White  Paper"  which summarizes  the  actuarial  assumptions.  Its                                                             
purpose  is  to  provide  Legislators,   employers  and  any  other                                                             
interested  party,  information   and  answers  to  commonly  asked                                                             
questions  about  the Retirement  System.  The  Comprehensive  2003                                                             
Annual  Report  [copy  not provided]  also  depicts  the  actuarial                                                             
assumptions.  These  reports  are  available  on  the  Department's                                                             
website.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn stated that this "high  level overview" would focus on                                                             
the funding  status,  the FY  04 through  FY 06  summary, "the  two                                                             
primary drivers that  influence the funding ratio for  the PERS/TRS                                                             
System," which are  the increase in health care costs  and the loss                                                             
of investment earnings,  a review of the Employer FY  01 through FY                                                             
05 contribution rates,  and the Employer contribution  savings that                                                             
occurred between FY 98 and FY 04.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn directed  the Committee to the "System  Funding Goals"                                                             
which have been adopted by the  PERS/TRS Board, as depicted on page                                                             
13 in the "White Paper" section of the handout.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     System Funding Goals                                                                                                     
     The following are proposed system funding goals based on                                                                   
     observed board discussions:                                                                                                
        • Relatively stable contribution rates over time                                                                        
        • Actuarial funding of retire medical benefits                                                                          
        • 100% (102% for PERS) funded ratio of assets to accrued                                                                
          liabilities (including retiree medical)                                                                               
        • Pay for benefits during working lifetime (25 year period)                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked  the reason the PERS funded ratio  is more than                                                             
100 percent.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANSELM  STAACK, Chief  Financial Officer,  Division of  Retirement&                                                             
Benefits,  Department of  Administration, explained  that when  the                                                             
target is for 100-percent funding,  "mathematically you don't quite                                                             
ever get there."  Therefore, the PERS Board designated  102-percent                                                             
as  the goal  with  the  anticipation  that  100 percent  would  be                                                             
achieved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked why the TRS Board did not mirror this approach.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  responded that  the goals differ  due to the  fact that                                                             
different boards are involved.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BOB  REYNOLDS,   Actuarial   Consultant,   Mercer  Human   Resource                                                             
Consulting-Actuary,  testified  via teleconference  from an  offnet                                                             
site in Seattle Washington  and agreed that one of  the reasons the                                                             
percentage goals differ is that  two different boards are involved.                                                             
When a goal is determined, the  end result is either higher half of                                                             
the time  or lower half  of the time than  the specified  goal. The                                                             
PERS Board acted a bit more conservatively than the TRS Board.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked whether this  percentage goal difference is the                                                             
reason that the PERS deficit is larger than that of TRS.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds responded that the  PERS deficit is larger because, in                                                             
absolute dollars,  the liability  to the system  is larger.  At the                                                             
last  valuation,  the TRS  system  had approximately  five  billion                                                             
dollars in liabilities and less than four billion dollars in assets                                                             
whereas PERS had about $8.5 billion  in liabilities and six billion                                                             
dollars in assets. Rather than  being the result of the 102 percent                                                             
funded ratio, the unfunded liability for PERS is greater due to the                                                             
fact that it has a larger asset and liability base.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked whether reducing  the PERS funded ratio to less                                                             
than 100 percent would affect this deficit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds responded that lowering  the funded ratio to less than                                                             
100 percent would  serve to reduce the deficit, as  at 102 percent,                                                             
the liability has  been loaded by two percent. Therefore,  were the                                                             
percentage  lowered  to 100  percent  the  liability would  be  two                                                             
percent lower. Subsequently, a  lower unfunded amount would result.                                                             
In  summary, the  two percent  difference  has a  modest effect  in                                                             
relationship  to  the effect  generated  by  the larger  asset  and                                                             
liability base.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Million  directed   the  Committee  to  "Current   Issues  and                                                             
Challenges" on page 15 of the White Paper section.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Current Issues and Challenges                                                                                            
     Rising employer contribution levels and deteriorating funded                                                               
     status                                                                                                                     
          • Primary reason:                                                                                                     
               - financial market performance                                                                                   
               - rising cost of medical care                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorm  then  referenced the  section in  the booklet  titled                                                             
"Funding  Status  FY  04-FY  06 and  explained  that  the  document                                                             
portrays the Earnings,  the Actuarial Rate, the Health  Care Costs,                                                             
the Employer Rates, and the Funding Ratios for the Mercer Valuation                                                             
Reports, dated  June 30, FY  01, FY 02,  and FY 03. These  reports,                                                             
respectfully,  are used  by  the Board  to determine  the  Employer                                                             
Contribution Rate for FY 04, FY 05 and FY 06.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  pointed out that, as  reflected on the document,  the                                                             
PERS Actual Investment  Return for FY 01/FY 04 was  a negative 5.25                                                             
percent with an Actuarial  Assumption that assumes  that the system                                                             
would earn an Investment Return of 8.25 percent. The returns for FY                                                             
02/FY  05 reflect  an Actual  Investment  Return  of negative  5.48                                                             
percent with an Actuarial Investment assumption of 8.25 percent. FY                                                             
03/FY 06 reflect  an Actual Investment Return of 3.67  percent with                                                             
an Actuarial Investment assumption of 8.25 percent.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde noted  that as a result of the downward  stock market                                                             
trend,  private   individuals  would   have  shifted  their   401-K                                                             
investment  portfolios  from  stocks  to  bonds  "some  time  ago."                                                             
Therefore, he questioned the reason the System continues to predict                                                             
an 8.25 return when the market  has reflected a three-year downward                                                             
trend. At  what point,  would "actuarial  adjustments be made  that                                                             
would reflect reality."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack explained that eight-percent would be the middle rate of                                                             
fifty percent of the long-term earnings in the United States, long-                                                             
term meaning a thirty-year  period. The Board is willing  to exceed                                                             
this  average, as  historically  the earnings  of  the Pension  and                                                             
Investment Board  have exceeded  market performance. The  Actuarial                                                             
Assumed Rate is key  to the funding level of the entire  plan as it                                                             
is being  utilized  to amortize  the entirety  of the  liabilities.                                                             
Therefore, a  decrease in the funded  rate would serve  to increase                                                             
the unfunded balance. Were the  Actuarial Investment Return rate of                                                             
8.25 percent lowered to seven percent,  the increase in liabilities                                                             
"would significantly increase and the plan would be more under-                                                                 
funded." In conclusion, the 8.25 investment return rate is a proven                                                             
rate that has been substantiated over a 30-year period.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde acknowledged that, over the long term this rate might                                                             
be proven; however, he asked in  regard to the short-term effect on                                                             
the system.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack communicated that the  Division has implemented a system                                                             
in which allocated gains or losses are limited to 20 percent in any                                                             
one year. This has  a smoothing out effect. It must  be viewed as a                                                             
long-term  process. Even  though FY  02/FY 05, for  example,  had a                                                             
total  funding  ratio   of  75-percent  and  an  Employer   average                                                             
calculated rate  of 24-percent, the  Board adopted a rate  of 11.77                                                             
percent. It  must be recognized  that this  is "many year  process"                                                             
rather than being limited to a single year process.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  countered therefore,  that it  could be argued  that                                                             
there is no deficit, as if "we wait long enough, it will catch up."                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Staack  agreed  that  argument  could  be  made;  however,  he                                                             
qualified that the  plan must be funded "in between."  Were some of                                                             
those losses not  recouped and were contributions to  continue into                                                             
the plan, the period  in which the plan could be balanced  would be                                                             
expanded.  75-percent  of any  retirement  system's  plan are  from                                                             
investment earnings with only 25-percent balance being derived from                                                             
employer/employee contributions.  Some of those gaps must be filled                                                             
with calculated contributions overtime  because, were they not, the                                                             
deficit time period would be lengthened.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  acknowledged  that another issue  is that while  each                                                             
Actuarial Valuation is based on  best estimate assumptions, a long-                                                             
term trend could change long term funding assumptions. These trends                                                             
include such  things as longevity,  lower mortality rates  over the                                                             
last  ten to  20  years due  to medical  advancements,  and  higher                                                             
medical expenses.  These trends serve to increase the  liability of                                                             
the  system, and  therefore,  over time,  the  assumptions must  be                                                             
adjusted. A higher funding target  would require a rate adjustment.                                                             
Were long term trends  to continue unchanged, there  would not be a                                                             
need  to react  to changes  in  the plan's  funding  status as  the                                                             
philosophy  could be  that things  would sort  themselves out  over                                                             
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked whether poor  market returns in the  past have                                                             
required "a general fund infusion" into the PERS/TRS systems.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  responded  that the money  that is  contributed to  the                                                             
systems results  from the Employer  rate contributions.  Therefore,                                                             
due to the fact that the State is an employer, the general fund has                                                             
continuously  been utilized  in that manner.  The general  fund has                                                             
never been  utilized for any extra  infusion of funding  beyond the                                                             
Employer contribution rate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  understood  that  due  to  market  fluctuations,  a                                                             
contribution  above   the  Employer  contribution   rate  might  be                                                             
required.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack clarified that, other than the increase resulting from a                                                             
rise in the  Employer calculated  rate, no additional  general fund                                                             
contribution  was  sought.  Any additional  monies  that  would  be                                                             
required would result from an increase in the Employer contribution                                                             
rate.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde acknowledged, but  commented that any increase in the                                                             
Employer contribution  would affect  the general fund.  In reality,                                                             
the $76 million shortfall  would be supported by the  general fund.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack responded  that in some form it would be,  as 59 percent                                                             
of any  State expenditure  is derived  from the  general fund  with                                                             
approximately 41  percent being derived from other  funding sources                                                             
such as federal funding.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde understood therefore that approximately 40 percent of                                                             
the $76  million PERS deficit  would be  funded from sources  other                                                             
than the State.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens understood that,  as depicted on the  document,                                                             
the    "Non-Medical   Benefits    only"    PERS   Funding    Ratio-                                                             
Assets\Liabilities  component was 143.7  percent over-funded  in FY                                                             
01/ FY 04.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn replied that is correct  were only the pension portion                                                             
considered and the medical cost component removed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens continued that  in FY 02/FY 05, there would be a                                                             
24.8 percent cumulative  funding deficit; however,  the Non-Medical                                                             
Benefits only component is over-funded by 120.9 percent.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  pointed out  that were the  health costs included,  the                                                             
funding level would be the "Total benefits" as depicted.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  asked the definitions of "Non-Medical  Benefits                                                             
only" and "Total Benefits".                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  defined "Total Benefits"  as being the total  liability                                                             
for the system's monthly pensions and health care costs. The reason                                                             
this breakout is provided is due  to the fact that Alaska is one of                                                             
the few governmental entities in  the county that actuarially funds                                                             
health care costs.  California, Texas, and other states  do not. It                                                             
is difficult  to compare  the State's  program to  others and  were                                                             
another state to declare that its  retirement system was 95-percent                                                             
funded; one  must compare that  claim to the Alaska's  "Non-Medical                                                             
Benefits only" component. The State of Alaska would be obligated to                                                             
pay  the Total  Benefits  component,  which includes  both  monthly                                                             
pensions and health care.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  understood  that while  the State  has a  cash                                                             
obligation  to the pension  portion, the  deficit must result  from                                                             
medical costs as the pension portion is fully funded. Therefore, he                                                             
asked  how  the  medical  component   dollar  value  obligation  is                                                             
determined.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds responded that the principle at play in this regard is                                                             
the determination that the benefit amount that would be anticipated                                                             
for an individual's lifetime is  based on calculations such as when                                                             
that person would retire and the  pension and medical benefits that                                                             
that person would receive. Once  this is determined, such things as                                                             
the  longevity  assumption  and medical  cost  increases  would  be                                                             
applied. An individual's  total cost, or "accrued liability"  would                                                             
be calculated and would be the  amount the State would be obligated                                                             
to fund. The  idea is that adjustments  must be made against  these                                                             
measurements in order to support  them over time. As the retirement                                                             
components are  in regulation and  could not be adjusted  downward,                                                             
any required  infusion  of supporting  funding must  be funded  via                                                             
alterations in the Employer Contribution funding rate.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens commented  that the  fact that the  Non-Medical                                                             
Benefits-only funding has been maintained at 120 percent even after                                                             
recent financial market downturns  indicates that the component has                                                             
been well managed. However, when the total benefits are considered,                                                             
there appears  to be a  problem in the manner  it is being  funded.                                                             
Furthermore,  it appears that  this is an  issue that rather  being                                                             
solved by a one time monetary "injection" would continue due to the                                                             
escalating costs  of health care and  longer life spans  that would                                                             
accrue  more medical costs.  This is  a problem  that would  not be                                                             
going away.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn stated that the State's  plan is "atypical" and "quite                                                             
generous on the medical side."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked whether, in  the historical sense,  changes in                                                             
the employer and employee contribution have any affect on behavior.                                                             
In other words, would employees take better care of their health to                                                             
avoid being required  to contribute more or would employers  change                                                             
the manner in which they treat  employees in regards to such things                                                             
as a later retirement age.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn characterized the  situation "as a two-edged sword" as                                                             
while improvements  in the medical field have increased  life spans                                                             
there has, on a national  basis, been a 13-percent  increase in the                                                             
cost of  health care.  In regards  to active  employees, the  State                                                             
could implement  a variety of options.  Requiring employees  to pay                                                             
more of  their health care  costs would  not necessarily result  in                                                             
employees  making good  health  care decisions.  A  Board has  been                                                             
established that is addressing  cost containment issues relating to                                                             
the retiree population. She noted that the Retired Public Employees                                                             
Association  brought  a lawsuit  before  the State  Supreme  Court,                                                             
regarding the  fact that some Legislative  changes were  made that,                                                             
while  reducing  some retirement  benefits,  did  not  result in  a                                                             
corresponding increase in cost  savings. The Court decision in June                                                             
2003 stated  that changes could not  be made to the retiree  health                                                             
care  component   unless   it  could  be   demonstrated  that   the                                                             
corresponding decreases for the 27,000-retiree population and their                                                             
dependents, both  of which would total approximately  54,000, has a                                                             
corresponding  offset. An  appeal  is pending  before the  Superior                                                             
Court.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson concluded therefore  that changes would be limited by                                                             
Court decisions and employee contracts.  Therefore, echoing Senator                                                             
B. Stevens's comments,  he inquired as to what types  of structural                                                             
changes might be available to address costs in the long run.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens pointed out  that, as reflected in the "Employer                                                             
Savings FY 98-FY 04" section of  the handout, the PERS contribution                                                             
rate has  decreased from 12.14  percent in  1998 to 6.7 percent  in                                                             
2003. "How can the  Board justify a decrease of that  amount" while                                                             
health care  expenses have annually  increased by approximately  14                                                             
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  responded  that for  a period  of time  the costs  of                                                             
health  care were quite  volatile  in that they  increased from  50                                                             
percent in one year  to 30 percent to zero percent  in other years.                                                             
However, health care trend costs have been revisited in recognition                                                             
of the fact that health care costs would continue to increase.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SFC 04 # 14, Side B 09:53 AM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  specified that the health  care cost factor  would be                                                             
increased from 7.5  percent to 12 percent for the next  five years.                                                             
Costs are projected to taper off thereafter.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  reiterated that  the question  is why has  the                                                             
Board allowed the Employer Contribution to decrease from 12-percent                                                             
in 1998 to 6.7 percent in FY 04  in light of the fact that the cost                                                             
of medical expenses has escalated.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  pointed out that there  is a two-year lag  time between                                                             
the rate being established by the Board and when it is implemented.                                                             
He stated  that the decision to  lower the employer rate  was based                                                             
upon a combination of factors including  the fact that, in addition                                                             
to  high medical  expenses  and  a high  employer  contribution,  a                                                             
"tremendous amount of earnings"  occurred between 1996 and the year                                                             
2000.   Those  earnings   served  to   "dramatically"  offset   the                                                             
liabilities.   The  Board's   decision   to   lower  the   employer                                                             
contribution rate  was based on those elements. Now  that the trend                                                             
of  upward  medical  expenses has  been  established,  the  Board's                                                             
decision is to increase the Employer Contribution level.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack informed that TRS is  a cost-sharing system whereas PERS                                                             
is a multi-employer  system in which  there is an overall  employer                                                             
rate  and  a specific  past  service  cost  that  accompanies  each                                                             
employer. Therefore  the Municipality  of Anchorage, the  Fairbanks                                                             
North Slope  Borough and  the State have  differing rates.  The TRS                                                             
Board has  continually  adopted an  average rate  that is the  same                                                             
amongst all  employers. The  Bethel School  District pays  the same                                                             
rate as the Municipality of Anchorage School District. Therein lies                                                             
the reason that the rates differ.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Staack  stated  that  as a  result  of  the  reduced  Employer                                                             
Contribution rate  obligations that occurred during  the years 1998                                                             
through  2004, $460  million  in associated  employer  contribution                                                             
expenses were saved by municipalities as well as by the State.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens acknowledged  this fact,  however, argued  that                                                             
these same  entities  would now be  shouldering  the burden of  the                                                             
deficits that have occurred.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack informed the Committee  that rather than actually saving                                                             
$460  million, municipalities  and  the State  actually saved  $300                                                             
million because  they experienced increases  in other costs  due to                                                             
such things as an increased numbers of employees.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens viewed that as  being the result of  individual                                                             
entities' decisions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY STEVENS asked regarding the comment that 75 percent of                                                             
retirement   earnings  are   gleamed  from   investment   earnings.                                                             
Specifically  whether the State  could increase current  employees'                                                             
contribution requirements in order to offset benefits paid to those                                                             
who are fully retired  or whether current employees'  contributions                                                             
could be increased  to offset future retiree benefit  obligations.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack replied that this involves  a long-term process with the                                                             
theory being  that the  contribution level  should recover,  over a                                                             
person's  working life,  all the  costs associated  with  providing                                                             
benefits to that  person. However, in a matter of eight  years, the                                                             
average amount of  monthly health retirement benefit  has increased                                                             
from $350.50 per retiree in 1996 to $806 in 2004. As this money was                                                             
not recovered during the retiree's working life, the money to cover                                                             
past  service costs  must come  from  somewhere. All  of the  "past                                                             
service costs" have significantly increased as exampled by the fact                                                             
that between the years 1983 to  1994, life expectancy has increased                                                             
by  2.7 years  and therefore,  more than  two  years of  retirement                                                             
benefits have  been added  for the average  retiree. While  the new                                                             
rate absorbs  those 2.7 years,  previous retiree benefits  expenses                                                             
were factored upon the lower mortality  table. The money to pay for                                                             
the extended  years  must come from  the employers  in the  system,                                                             
employees, and the investment earnings. It must be accepted that in                                                             
a defined benefit plan system "the employer takes the risk of lower                                                             
than expected investment earnings  and higher than expected costs."                                                             
This is further explained in the White Page section of the handout.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator G. Stevens  asked whether the past service  expense details                                                             
are included in the handout.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  replied that this information  could be found  in the                                                             
PERS Supplemental  Actuarial Valuation  report [copy not  provided]                                                             
for each employer.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  commented that  while the  actuarial assumptions  are                                                             
made by utilizing  the best appropriate data and projections,  were                                                             
the assumptions  too optimistic  and the costs  of the plan  in the                                                             
future to be under-estimated,  the liability would  be passed on to                                                             
future  generations.   However,  "were  the  assumptions   set  too                                                             
conservatively,"  it would, in essence, place the burden  of future                                                             
workforce liabilities on the current  workforce. It is difficult to                                                             
walk  that  "thin  line  between  being   too  optimistic  and  too                                                             
conservative." There have been  trends, longevity and medical costs                                                             
in particular, for which the current  workforce is paying for prior                                                             
retiree   benefit  costs.   The  fluctuating   medical  costs,   as                                                             
aforementioned, made that projection  difficult for certain periods                                                             
of years.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked  how fluctuations and other increased  expenses                                                             
were addressed in the past.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Millhorn  stated  that  the  employer  contribution  rate  has                                                             
historically been "incrementally  adjusted" to provide the required                                                             
funding ratio.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds noted  that  the current  PERS  funding  ratio is  75                                                             
percent and in 1980  the funding ratio was 71 percent.  Once during                                                             
this time  period, the rate  was 106  percent. The current  funding                                                             
ratio for the TRS system is 68  percent and was 67 percent in 1980.                                                             
There have been periods of time in which the funding ratio has been                                                             
lower than  it is now. There is  the requirement that the  ratio be                                                             
adjusted to reflect trends as they occur.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde, noting that the  Employer Contribution Rate has been                                                             
adjusted over time in response to system needs, stated that this is                                                             
contrary to testimony that making such changes takes too long.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  agreed that  while the rates  have been changed,  there                                                             
remains a lag time between when the rates are set and when they are                                                             
implemented. This is an issue. If the rates go up, it would require                                                             
more money from employers. There  is no special injection of money.                                                             
The fund must sustain itself over time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde stated that "the practical reality" is that, as rates                                                             
increase, the Anchorage School District, for example, would request                                                             
a one-time infusion to offset the  expense. This is of concern, and                                                             
he wondered whether assurances  could be provided that this deficit                                                             
would not re-occur.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack replied that no assurance could be provided.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn stated that Mercer  Consulting would be presenting its                                                             
June  30,  2003 Actuarial  Valuation  at  upcoming  PERS/TRS  Board                                                             
meetings. The Boards, at that time, would review the report and the                                                             
assumptions and determine the Employer Contribution Rate for FY 06.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Millhorn  informed  that, by  regulation,  the  PERS  Employer                                                             
Contribution  Rate could  only be  increased or  decreased up  to a                                                             
maximum  of  five percent.  There  is  no limitation  on  TRS  rate                                                             
increases or decreases.  Historically, the TRS Board  has addressed                                                             
this rate in a conservative  manner and has "even adopted  a higher                                                             
rate  to  keep  the  contribution   rate  stable  even  though  the                                                             
recommendation by Mercer would be lower." The TRS Board has adopted                                                             
a rate up to four percent higher than the recommended rate.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken stated that  this information  is depicted  in the                                                             
third column  of the spreadsheet  in the  "Funding Status  FY 04-FY                                                             
06"section of the handout.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn affirmed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked for further  information regarding  the five-                                                             
percent variance limitation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn replied that the five-percent  limit is specified in a                                                             
regulation based on Statute.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked for further information in this regard.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Millhorn specified  that  the  regulation specifies  that  the                                                             
Employer Contribution Rate could be increased up to five-percent or                                                             
decreased up to five-percent.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green understood  therefore,  that  the five  percent  is                                                             
specified in Statute. She stated that she would further investigate                                                             
this limit.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked in regards to employee contributions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Millhorn responded  that the  employee  contribution could  be                                                             
addressed via the establishment of a new tier.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  opined that  while  there  is  a need  for  greater                                                             
contributions, no current employee could be subject to an increased                                                             
contribution rate.  A new employee tier level would  be required in                                                             
order to consider altering the  current employee contribution rate.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  stated that the Alaska  Supreme Court has  specifically                                                             
addressed  this  issue. A  court  case  involving the  lowering  of                                                             
retirement benefits  was argued in 1981 with the ruling  being that                                                             
the State could not diminish employee  benefits. New hires benefits                                                             
could be altered.  This would require  a new tier to be  developed.                                                             
Benefits could not be diminished  for employees who retired or were                                                             
hired prior to the enactment of the new tier.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde concluded therefore that once a contractual agreement                                                             
is in affect, the terms could not be altered.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  stated  that the  interpretation is  that increasing  a                                                             
current employee's contribution,  would, "in a manner, decrease the                                                             
benefit."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked whether the  Court decision would  prohibit an                                                             
employee  from  opting to  voluntarily  agree  to  make less  of  a                                                             
contribution and receive "less benefits in the future."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack was uncertain of the answer.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn specified that while the TRS system is a cost sharing,                                                             
multiple employer  plan with a single uniform employer  rate, there                                                             
are 57 different PERS Employer Contribution Rates. She reviewed the                                                             
TRS system Earnings,  Actuarial Rate, Health Cost,  Employer Rates,                                                             
and Funding ratios as depicted  in the "Funding Status FY 04-FY 06"                                                             
section of the handout.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn reiterated that the TRS system does not have an annual                                                             
percentage  increase  or  decrease  limit  regarding  its  Employer                                                             
Contribution  Rate change.  While the TRS  Board could recommend  a                                                             
rate, the final authority is the  Commissioner of the Department of                                                             
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  noted that  the next section  in the handout,  tabbed                                                             
"Employer Savings  FY 98-FY 04," individually depicts  the increase                                                             
that would  be experienced by each  of the 57 employers.  The third                                                             
page of that section  identifies each of the TRS employers  and the                                                             
affect  of the four  percent  increase they  would experience.  The                                                             
fourth  page  of the  section  specifies  that  the total  cost  to                                                             
PERS/TRS employers would be $100 million dollars in FY 05.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Staack  communicated  that,  were School  Districts  to  relay                                                             
information  that  their PERS  contributions  would  amount to  $35                                                             
million, it  should be noted that  this amount includes  both their                                                             
TRS and PERS contributions.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked whether a  breakout of school districts' PERS                                                             
and TRS employers' obligations could be provided.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn noted that in addition  to the TRS breakout for school                                                             
districts, their  PERS obligations  are incorporated into  the PERS                                                             
breakout in the section.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked  that a  document be  developed that  solely                                                             
reflects both the TRS/PERS obligations of the school districts.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens provided this  information is a handout  titled                                                             
"ALASKA  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION  AND EARLY  DEVELOPMENT" [copy  on                                                             
file], dated February 10, 2004.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  calculated  that, of  the  $100 million  total                                                             
PERS/TRS  FY 05 expenses,  $38 million  would be  the State's  PERS                                                             
obligation, $35 million would be  the school districts' obligation,                                                             
and  the balance  of $27  million would  be  the responsibility  of                                                             
municipalities and the University of Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken observed that the University would be obligated for                                                             
$5.6 million in PERS and $1.6 TRS expenses.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens asked that the  Department provide the Committee                                                             
a breakout  depicting the  PERS/TRS expenses  associated for  State                                                             
employees,  school district  employees,  University employees,  and                                                             
municipality employees.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Staack  stated that of the  $100 million, $38 million  would be                                                             
the State's PERS obligation; $35 million would be school districts'                                                             
TRS/PERS   obligations;  seven   million  dollars   would  be   the                                                             
University's  PERS/TRS   obligation;  and  $20  million   would  be                                                             
municipalities' PERS obligations.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  asked  that this  information  be provided  in                                                             
document form.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked that the information  for the school districts                                                             
and the University be further divided to reflect their PERS and TRS                                                             
obligations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  referred the  Committee to  page 23, titled  "Retiree                                                             
Medical  Insurance"  of  the section  titled  "Medical  Costs."  As                                                             
depicted, the  monthly premium per  retiree for health  coverage in                                                             
1977 was $34.75.  The third column  on the page depicts  the annual                                                             
year-to-year  percentage   changes  and  reflects   the  volatility                                                             
experienced.  "The  annualized  average increase  is  10  percent."                                                             
Today,  the  monthly  premium  for  health  coverage  is  $806  per                                                             
individual who is in the plan.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In response  to a  comment from  Senator B.  Stevens, Ms.  Millhorn                                                             
reiterated  that the  current premium  is $806  per individual  per                                                             
month.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  G. Stevens  asked  whether  this includes  the  employee's                                                             
dependents.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn affirmed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens surmised  therefore  that  $806 is  the  whole                                                             
liability for the member.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn replied that it is correct.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Millhorn pointed  out that  the  next section  in the  handout                                                             
titled  "PERS Employer  Rates  FY 01-FY  05" reflects  a  five-year                                                             
review of the changes in the Employer  Contribution Rates that have                                                             
resulted  from the  gains  and losses  in accrued  liabilities.  It                                                             
depicts  the "differences  between the assumed  experience  and the                                                             
actual experience." As depicted in the chart, the Beginning Average                                                             
Employer  Contribution Rate  in 1997 was  7.36 percent; the  Mercer                                                             
Human Resource Consulting-Actuary  recommendation,  as reflected in                                                             
the "Ending Average  Employer Contribution Rate" was  7.03 percent;                                                             
and the Board adopted an Employer Contribution Rate of 7.40 percent                                                             
for FY 01. This information is specified for each of the years 1999                                                             
through 2002.  It should be  noted that in  the years 1998  through                                                             
2000, the Board recommended a slightly higher rate than recommended                                                             
by Mercer. The adopted  rate in 2001, which would become  effective                                                             
in FY 04, was the rate recommended by Mercer. The information above                                                             
the Employer  Contribution Rate section  depicts the assets  verses                                                             
liabilities changes that affected  the annual employer contribution                                                             
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  stated that  the next page,  titled "PERS Summary  of                                                             
Benefits" reflects  the various payment  obligations from  the PERS                                                             
System.  The  total   payments  for  the  year  2003   amounted  to                                                             
$451,015,000.  The total  payment  in 1994  was $157,913,000.  This                                                             
reflects  the  increase  in obligations  that  have  occurred.  The                                                             
medical component  in 1994 was $36 million and was  $143 million in                                                             
the year 2003.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn noted that the next  tab titled "TRS Employer Rates FY                                                             

01 - FY 05" reflects information pertinent to the TRS system. As depicted in the chart, the Beginning Average Employer Contribution Rate in 1997 was 13.0 percent; the Mercer Human Resource Consulting-Actuary recommendation, as reflected in the "Ending Average Employer Contribution Rate" was 10.55 percent; and the Board adopted an Employer Contribution Rate of 12.0 percent for FY

01. The TRS Board strives to have an Employer Contribution Rate that is "consistent over time" as reflected in its decision to adopt, in 1999, an 11 percent rate rather than the 7.09 rate recommended by Mercer for FY 02. Ms. Millhorn noted that the information on page 28 of that section reflects the total TRS payment obligation. In 1994, the total benefits paid were $116 million and the total paid in 2003 was $310 million. The total 2003 PERS/TRS payment obligation is a large amount. Ms. Millhorn stated that the information located in the tab titled "PERS/TRS Tier IV - Tier III Subcommittee" describes the Boards' task to develop Tier re-design recommendations for the future, as initiated by the Department of Administration Commissioner Mike Miller. The first meeting recently occurred and was attended by the Boards' members, the Commissioner, and Mr. Reynolds from Mercer. The committee would be requesting input from the 154 PERS/TRS employers in the State by way of a survey that is currently in draft form. She noted that there are many considerations including competing interests such as cost containments as compared to a benefit amount. A compromise must be developed that would balance those interests. The PERS/TRS Tier Subcommittee consists of Board members Bob Boko, Alyce Hanley, Richard Solie, and Frank Narusch. A draft Ms. Millhorn stated that the final section in the handbook is titled "Comparison of Other Systems Funding Health Care." This section provides a comparison of Alaska's retirement system to 123 other government plans. Of those 123 plans, only eight pre-fund the health care portion of their retirement pension plans. Co-Chair Wilken asked the purpose of sending the survey to PERS/TRS employers in the State. Ms. Millhorn responded that it is necessary to obtain feedback from the PERS/TRS employers for when reviewing a retirement system and determining methods to contain costs, it must be recognized that the options might negatively affect the recruitment and retention of employees. Senator B. Stevens asked for confirmation that only eight of the 123 government entities included in the Public Fund Survey pre-fund their medical expenses. Ms. Millhorn stated that is correct. Senator B. Stevens asked whether the chart reflected deficits and liabilities experienced by those eight in comparison to the others. Ms. Millhorn stated that the chart does reflect funding ratios. Senator B. Stevens understood that the asterisked entities are those that pre-fund their medical expenses. Ms. Millhorn affirmed. Senator B. Stevens noted therefore, that "Kentucky Teachers," which is one of the eight, has an Actuarial Funding Ratio of 86.6 percent for its Actuarial Validation Report, dated June 30, 2002. Ms. Millhorn affirmed. She stated that Alaska's PERS funding ratio as reflected in the June 30, 2001 Actuarial Valuation Report reflects a total benefits funding ratio of 100.9 percent for FY 04. The purpose of the information is to allow the State to compare its PERS/TRS programs to others with similar components. SFC 04 # 15, Side A 10:41 AM Mr. Staack stated that, "the accounting profession has never really helped this issue very much." Most retirement systems only include "the costs and the liabilities of their current year expenses" when determining health care expenses the next year. Most states do not provide "as generous a plan" as this State provides. However, by the year 2006, all governmental retirement systems would be required to include on their financial statements "the liability for all the unfunded health care that they haven't funded up until now." Alaska has done this for the last thirty years. Some of the other states would be surprised when this information is compiled. He reiterated that the information is to allow proper comparisons. Co-Chair Green asked for clarification as to whether the new accounting measures would require pre-funding information to be displayed. Mr. Staack stated that it would not. What it would require is that health care liabilities be reported on the financial statements. Until then, states such as California only reflect the cost of the next year's PERS/TRS health care obligations on their financial statements rather than their true liability. Co-Chair Green asked whether Alaska's pre-funding mechanism is established in law. Mr. Staack responded that the applicable statute is broad in that it allows the Board "wide latitude" in that they could establish the actuarial assumptions. Co-Chair Green understood therefore that the pre-funding mechanism is Board directed. Mr. Reynolds avowed that the Statute does require the system to be actuarially funded. To his knowledge, "it does not distinguish between the pension benefits and the medical benefits." Therefore, "the Statute does contemplate pre-funding of both benefits ? in a pay as you go approach to the medical benefits." "Actuarial funding does mean pre-funding." Therefore there is both Statutory and regulatory requirements that would require this scenario for both medical and pension benefits. Mr. Staack stated that were the actual liability not pre-funded, "that liability would be pushed on to future generations." Mr. Reynolds concurred. Co-Chair Green understood however, that currently the only entity which could undergo a rate adjustment to address liabilities would be the employer, as employees' rates could not be altered unless a new tier were established. Mr. Staack affirmed. Co-Chair Green asked whether any consideration has been provided to making statutory changes. Ms. Millhorn responded that all avenues are being considered in the Tier re-design endeavor. Co-Chair Wilken asked for confirmation that this is part of the task assigned to the Commissioner's subcommittee. Ms. Millhorn affirmed. Senator B. Stevens commented that were a new tier established that would include a defined contribution plan, the future employees in the new tier might be responsible for the escalating costs of the older tiers. Mr. Staack clarified that in a Defined Contribution Plan, the employer would continue to bears the increased costs associated with retired employees. Were a new Defined Benefit tier to be established, funding from retirees would remain unobtainable even were costs increasing. Therefore, "the only party you can go to" is the employer. Senator B. Stevens interjected "or the general fund." Co-Chair Wilken asked the minimal amount that the Legislature could allocate to address the deficit resulting from this situation. Two things that might reduce the "$100 million cash requirement" would include either recalculating the formula by basing the calculation on current data such as the FY 03 actuarial report and hoping for the continued healing of the stock market or consideration of providing, for instance, $50 million contribution towards the PERS/TERS obligation as a gesture of healing. In other words, is there anything that could be done to lower the rate increase below the five-percent scheduled for FY 05. Mr. Staack stated that the Valuation Report that would be presented at a March 24, 2004 would serve to update the information. It indicates that the State is already experiencing a 34 percent earnings deficit for PERS. He expected that no reduction in the rate could occur even were updated reports provided. Mr. Reynolds agreed that the Valuation Report that would be presented in March would be based on June 30, 2003 information and it would not provide for a significant rate improvement as the investment performance returns were approximately four percent rather than the 8.25 percent assumption. The updated Valuation is anticipated to recommend a higher Employer Contribution rate. Mercer does conduct future projections in regards to what the rates might allow. Therefore the influence of more recent market upturns would be provided to the Boards during the upcoming March meeting. Co-Chair Wilken asked whether the five-percent increase in Employer rates is a firm obligation. Mr. Staack understood that this obligation would continue. Co-Chair Wilken voiced that this presentation was very informative. ADJOURNMENT Co-Chair Gary Wilken adjourned the meeting at 10:55 AM

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